The former Board members|
and the core active Keepers
of the Moscow Group Presents
"Expose the Truth 2 & 3"
From: Moscow Keepers [HailMorya@mtu-net.ru]|
To: Friends of Light
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:30 PM
Subject: EXPOSE THE TRUTH 2 & 3 (On Publishing and our August 29th Moscow Study Group Meeting)
Dear friends of Light,
Greetings once again from Moscow, Russia!
Please read the two attached letters: One on Publishing and also one on our August 29th Moscow Board Meeting with the SU team here in Moscow.
This is the second and third letters that we are sending out. We already sent out our letter on the history of our Group as it brings the understanding of the way TSL Study Groups were originally set up in Russia. Then we speak about the most recent events. We do not repeat the information given in the "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" and "Lightbearers of the World Unite!" letters. Thus you may wish to read them as well in order to get a more full picture.
The former Board members and the core active Keepers of the Moscow Group
Ketino L., Sergey S., Marina F., Margarita D., Sergei K., Nina K., Galina N., Tatiana D., Vera B., Oleg N., Marina A., Tatiana B, Vera S.
EXPOSE THE TRUTH 2: Publishing
Our publishing house received the letters from Norman Millman, representing the Office of the President, dated September 10, 2003, stating that "No rights to any SU Press work will be granted" to us any further. We are accused of "pirating" the materials of SU Press and threatened by "appropriate legal remedies" for our "infringements".
We would like to present some facts that could bring a greater understanding to the situation.
2. In the middle of August 2003 we received from SU Press another five licenses, also for seven years, from SU Press that we were due to sign together with one of the presidents of the Summit Lighthouse ASAP.
Note: these two facts indicate the good working relationships, high level of trust and an absence of problems between SU Press and our publishing company prior to the August 29 meeting of the Board of the Moscow Group with the SU team.
3. Substantial Royalties have been paid regularly (about $3,000 every year). All the royalties have been accurately paid according to the requirements in the License Agreements. We were also providing a detailed (more than 50 pages) financial report for each half-year period, including the following information on each title:
- amount of books printed in the accounting period (of half a year);
- amount of books sold in the accounting period;
- prices and amounts of books sold retail and wholesale;
- revenue for the books sold;
- royalties due to be paid.
Note: Royalties were paid either as cash (that was
physically brought to
1) We submit the request for the Copyright License Agreement with the proposed date for the title to be printed.
2) SU Press e-mails us or gives us the verbal permission to proceed with the work, while the requested licenses are being prepared.
3) We faithfully fulfill all the requests that would be put into the "future" license. We submit the copyright page for approval prior to printing each new title and receive the written approval for it's use. We also submit the cover for a book and receive the written approval for its use. Then we print the book, sell it, regularly report about our sales and faithfully pay the royalties every year, and patiently wait for SU Press to fulfill its duty and issue the license for the book.
Here are some recent examples.
a) The booklet "Wanting to
be born". The request for the Copyright License Agreement was submitted
via fax in August, 2002. On
b) The book "Community".
The initial request for the Copyright License Agreement was submitted to SU
c) The booklet "Ashram
Rituals". The request for the Copyright License Agreement was submitted
via fax in August, 2002. On
d) The book "Chela and the
Path". 18410 copies were sold by
e) The booklet "Archangel
Michael's Rosary". This is not a recent example. We give it in order to
show that the delay in the work of SU Press was sometimes not just months,
but years! The 10000 copies of this booklet were printed in July 2000. By
In October 2000, SU Press was for
the first time presenting its books at the
Note: as you can see from these examples SU Press had approved the copyright pages and the covers for the books, as well as received the royalties for the books that were sold, but had not issued in time the requested licenses. If all of these books are "pirated" by our publishing company, then the "pirating" is done by the written approval of SU Press.
Example: according to Russian law the official papers we require need to have a seal/stamp of the company, that issues the document. We were given papers either without any seal or the ones that have a seal of "Church Universal and Triumphant" instead of SU Press. Both types of papers are not valid in our country.
fact the work on issuing the licenses that would satisfy the laws of both
is the incomplete list of people whom we informed verbally and in writing about
various problems that we had in
Note: SU Press does not go after these
publishers, does not seek "appropriate legal remedies" against them, and does
not attempt to close them. SU Press is intending to close the only
one publishing house, that the Ascended Masters have in
Note: if SU Press is truly not happy with the work we have done through the years and wants to do better through other companies or groups of people, issuing the licenses to another publisher can achieve this. There are enough places in the sun for all of us. The non-exclusive licenses we have, give SU Press all the opportunities to establish such a company without needlessly destroying our company.
We had the honor and a pleasure to work with SU Press (THANK YOU to all the members of the SU Press team who have worked with us throughout the years). Through all 6 years of existence of our publishing activity we had good loving relationships based on trust, the Cosmic Honor Flame, mutual understanding and mutual help. Our publishing company did not blame SU Press, when they were not able to issue the proper licenses in time. SU Press did not stop us from bringing the Teachings to Russians, as they knew that it is neither our fault nor their fault, that we do not have proper papers in place. And now in one day the decision was made that our work is not good enough and we have to be ultimately closed.
We do not think that SU Press
made a mistake when they allowed us to
publish the booklet "Wanting to be born" without a license. Even if there is
one abortion that was averted by reading this booklet, that soul is grateful
for the opportunity to be born, and the book was not published in vain. The
rate of abortion in
not think that SU Press made a mistake when they allowed us to publish the
books "Community", "Ashram Rituals", "Chela and the Path", "Archangel Michael's
Rosary" and many other titles without licenses. These books no doubt saved many
souls and helped El Morya and the Great White Brotherhood to work in
We do not think that SU Press made a mistake when they allowed us to produce without any proper licenses the audio and video lectures and dictations given through Mother. It has helped thousands of Keepers, who have never seen the Messenger, to establish a heart tie with her and help them to believe that she is the true Messenger and not the other Russian psychic messengers, who are ready to receive and deceive the spiritual seekers because they can touch and see and speak with these psychics in person.
We do not think that SU Press was
making a mistake by allowing us to produce and distribute without proper papers
these and many other materials, which are a part of the Teachings of the
Ascended Masters and which the souls of Light are waiting for in Russia. We
know that SU Press together with our
publishing company did the best it could with the resources it had to serve the
cause of the Masters in
We did regularly ask for the proper and timely licenses, but SU Press was not able to fulfill our requests as they did not have the required personnel to do the job. SU Press did regularly ask the leadership to hire more people for their department, so that they could properly do the work, but the leadership did not fulfill their requests. Now the leadership is accusing us in the absence of proper papers in place, when the leadership itself including the Presidents did ignore the needs of international publishers and the needs of SU Press and did not take the necessary actions to ultimately secure the intellectual property. The e-mails from SU Press show clearly that they encouraged us to go ahead and to do the projects, though the licenses were not issued in time. This was done year after year with the blessing of the leadership, who were well aware of SU Press' needs, but did not put the necessary funds in place to fulfill those needs. We regret to have to bring this to public attention.
We encourage everyone to consider the following questions:
Would the Ascended Masters be happy by closing the only one pure source for their Teachings in the Russian language without having anything to replace it at the current moment?
Were there any "infringements" that SU Press was not aware of, and that was not agreed upon?
Why does SU Press not go after the many publishers, who publish in Russia the Teachings along with their psychic messages, who not seek any licenses and who do not pay royalties?
Would the closing of our publishing company correct the "infringements" done in the process of issuing the licenses from SU Press?
Was there any harm made by the publishing of the books, producing audio/video/CD/pictures without licenses issued in time by SU Press?
How could it be that the work of the company that was very good for 6 years, successful and fruitful, in one day became totally unacceptable?
We are willing to work through this issue and come to a satisfactory resolution for all parties. We hope and trust that this information will help start the process towards that resolution.
This letter was written by the former Board members and the core active Keepers of the Moscow Group.
EXPOSE THE TRUTH 3: August 29th meeting
The meeting was scheduled to start at mid day at the room that we rent for our middle week services. Five of us (the former Board members) came earlier to set up the altar and prepare for the meeting. We knew that the meeting would be very difficult and we vitally needed El Morya's Presence. Thus we all agreed that we will start with El Morya's keynote as soon as the guests will enter the room. We also planned to record the whole meeting, as we perceived that it was leadership's intention to dismiss us one way or another within one or two days after their arrival.
We were facing the altar and playing Mother's fiery invocation when at the members of the team came into the room. It was unexpected as we had to meet them near the front door at . Instead they arrived early and came to the room that was on the second floor of the building.
MOTHER: I demand the binding of the seeds of the fallen ones, the ways of the fallen ones and all energies less than the Christ perfection.
I stand in the name of Almighty God!
I stand in matter for the entire Spirit of the Great White Brotherhood.
I stand forth on behalf of these Sons and Daughters of God!
Let them be free! Let that darkness be exposed! Let it be consumed in the Light of the flame of the Divine Mother! For the flame of the Mother is incarnate in Terra and therefore the spiral of the betrayal of her flame twelve thousand years old shall be bound, shall be arrested, shall be taken this day.
Let the fire go forth! Let it go forth to greet the fallen ones in their way.
While Mother was still saying the last words we saw the guests coming into the room and Ketino asked Stuart to switch to El Morya's keynote. Stuart stopped Mother's invocation and started the keynote.
KETINO: Welcome to the Moscow Study Group,
The keynote started.
We had a disagreement from the very first minute our guests entered the room. They did not like the idea to play El Morya's keynote and Peter Duffy requested that we turn it off right away. He went to the stereo that was in the far corner from the entrance of the room to make sure that El Morya's keynote was turned off.
KETINO: We want to play the keynote and all the rest will be after that.
Nobody from the SU team supported this idea.
Guests wanted first to introduce themselves.
Ketino asked again to play the keynote first, as for the Russian team it was the most appropriate thing to do: to invoke El Morya's presence and the Will of God first and then to start the business. The SU team rejected this idea.
Everybody took their seats in the circle, each person introduced
himself. We also answered
We were missing two people, who had to come later and Ketino asked again to play El Morya's keynote.
KETINO: Maybe while we are waiting, let us make some invocations and put the keynote, if you don't mind, while we are waiting for Kate and Konstantin.
SU team wanted to stop us again. Peter said "No," Neroli and Linda said that they had Mother's invocation prepared to play.
Ketino said that we can also make our own invocations when the keynote would be played.
Finally by God's Grace we got El Morya's keynote (at least a portion of it) and the opportunity to make personal calls. Praise God!
So that was the first "fight" we had with the SU team. We were fighting for our Guru to be present at the meeting. Mother taught us: "Put first things first". So the first thing for our group is El Morya and the Will of Morya. We start with El Morya every endeavor in our Group and he is the key to our success. It is the worst thing somebody can do in our eyes to put something or somebody before El Morya. Later Marina F. (who was the President of our Group the previous year and whom we invited in case the leadership wanted to hear the report of the Group's activities in the year 2002) commented: "They kicked out our Guru. Did they expect that we would hug them after that?" Ketino had to ask for El Morya's keynote 5 times in order for us to finally have it.
El Morya's keynote was still playing when Kate Gordon and Julia P.
entered the room. That indicated the start of our second "fight" with the SU team.
The Board members (except Konstantin, who hardly had participated in the
activities of the Group and even rarely attended our services) discussed the
issue of translations before the meeting took place. We all agreed that the
best would be if Benuard would translate during the meeting and Ketino would
correct and help him if needed. The second option was if Ketino would translate
and Benuard would correct and help her if needed. Actually our Board was doing
pretty well, as 5 of 6 Board members could understand English. We also agreed
that two people Alexandra Sh. and Julia P. were absolutely unacceptable as
translators during the meeting. Alexandra was the focus/center of the organized
opposition to our Group and it's activities through all the years of existence
of our Group. Julia P. lived at the Ranch in close contact with the Duffys (or
maybe even with them) for two months this Summer and was back in
Note: Both of them mother and daughter were appointed to the new the Board within 24 hours after the meeting.
Ketino was firmly stating: We will not have a meeting with the people who are not the representatives of the leadership of the Moscow Study Group We as a board will not have Julia P. at our meeting. You are welcome to make the decision We will have the meeting as it is planned. Julia P. is not planned for the meeting. You have the meeting with the board of the MSG If you are willing to meet with the Board you will meet with the Board. If you want to meet with Julia P. you will meet with Julia P.
Was she shouting? She was definitely speaking loud, very clearly and articulating well. Most of the time she was speaking rather slowly than fast. She was rather standing her ground than angry. She was rigorously/carefully engraving the words rather than shouting without control.
LINDA: We are doing the meeting. You are not conducting this meeting.
These words indicated what this "fight" was about. "Who is in charge?" The SU team was saying that they are in charge of the meeting. Instead we wanted first of all EL Morya to be in charge of the meeting. The Church leaders showed no respect to our Guru. Secondly, the visiting team members were guests from a foreign country, who naturally had very little understanding about the life in our country and in our Group. We were in our home country, in the venue where we conduct our middle week services. We were at home, but the Church leaders were acting as if they were the hosts and we were the guests.
Kate came up very close to Ketino and was standing next to her face to face.
KATE: Ketino stop it! You are talking to us as if we were your enemies.
KETINO: Aren't you?.. We will see. We will see what will happen today, and tomorrow.
By these words Ketino was openly showing that we knew about the plot to dismiss us.
Margarita's witness: "At some point Norman made a move towards Ketino and raised his hand as if he wanted to push her or hit her. Nina made a step forward and stood between Ketino and Norman. Thus he put his hand down".
Nina's witness: "It was rather an instinctive move rather than the
conscious decision to defend Ketino. I stepped forward, as I saw the move of
The conversation about Julia as a translator was long and intense. The energy was intense.
Was Ketino shouting? We will repeat again: she was definitely speaking loud, very clearly and articulating well. She was speaking rather slowly than fast. She was rather standing her ground than angry. She was rigorously/carefully engraving the words rather than shouting without control.
KETINO: We do not need an additional person on this meeting. This is the decision of the Board to take her out and this decision was made before the meeting because we knew that you will be bringing with you either Julia P. or Alexandra Sh
The third "fight" we had was about taping the meeting.
Neroli saw Ketino with the tape-recorder right in the beginning of the meeting (even before the keynote was played). She asked about it.
NEROLI: Are you taping?
KETINO: Yes, we are planning to tape the whole event as it is the greatest event of the Moscow Study Group. We are meeting with the leadership and it is the first meeting we have ever had and maybe we will not have many.
Then in the middle of the "fight" about Julia Linda said:
LINDA: No, I don't want this taped. We are not taping this.
KETINO: We are taping here everything as we are supposed to give the KOF and to the Group everything what will happen here. It is not our opinions, or our impressions we are going to present. We are going to present whatever is taking place in this room.
LINDA: You know what Ketino, you don't have the power to do that. This is the Church.
KETINO: We are not the Church and if you have come to the Church, it is a wrong place.
TINA: We are communicants. We have the Church inside of us.
KETINO: Inside of us. But you have come as an outside
representatives of the Church. And we have not invited you as an outside representatives
of the Church. You are coming and saying: "We are the Church". We are saying:
"There is no Church here in
STUART: As a Church you are required to be registered in
LINDA: Every Study Group is under the Church aspect of the organization. And as I am the representative of the Church, every Teaching Center and Study Group is under my jurisdiction.
KATE: and I am also the president of the Church and of the
KETINO: We have raised this issue many times. This is very unfortunate, that in our organization everything is together and we are not able to meet with the representatives of the KOF or just of TSL. We have to meet with Church representatives
LINDA: You don't want to meet with the organization's leadership and the fact that we have come all this way to visit you, that's an indication that basically you are saying that you do not respect our position and mantles.
STUART: And you must admit that we have expressed to you extreme
concerns about security and about your role as Church people here in
SU TEAM: We are not here as Church people. We are here as the leadership
KETINO: You don't respect the will of the Board. You respect without knowing the situation only your personal opinions and understanding about what is the Moscow Study Group and you even don't want to hear from the Board what is the Moscow Study Group. You are ready to hear what is the Moscow Study Group from the people who are not in good standing, who does nothing, literally nothing in the group
It is very difficult for me to be very calm under this pressure.
I am just saying again: if you wish to speak with the leadership of the MSG, you are welcome to do that. Maybe this is the first and the last chance for you to do that. Use it...
Benuard will translate. I will correct only when he will be translating wrong. Julia P. is not the person we trust. Maybe you trust her, but we do not trust her translation, her work
If you wish to hear from us you will hear from us. If you wish to hear from Julia P., you will hear from her. We don't mind. Your choice.
Finally Julia left. Praise God.
Peter Duffy raised again the issue of the tape.
PETER: are you taping?
KETINO: Yes, we are taping the whole meeting. We will not speak without recording this meeting because you will not do in silence and in secrecy all that you are intended to do. You intend to make the decisions. We will be speaking only when the tape recorders are on.
Peter and Norman decided to physically take from us the tape recorders. Ketino had one in her hands. The other was in Stuart's hands. The women were supporting the men and were encouraging them to fight with us.
Peter tried to take the tape recorder from Ketino's hand as he was seated next to her. She drew/took away her right hand with the tape recorder so that Peter could not reach it.
WOMAN FROM SU TEAM: Yes!
ANOTHER WOMAN FROM SU TEAM: Yes!
KETINO: That's good!
Margarita's witness about the first part of the
meeting: No doubt, these people were angry. It was a hidden anger, but
you could see that in their eyes. I have never seen such anger as I saw in
This whole three-part "fight" was 27 minutes. This was the most intense
part of the meeting and this was the part, which the SU team treated as
uncontrolled rage from Ketino. We would love to have had this meeting to be
recorded on video instead of audio, so that any person could see for
himself/herself the eyes and the faces of people and what was taking place.
Praise God we recorded the meeting at least on audio, though the quality of the
recording is pretty poor. We would be happy if we could find the way to allow everybody
to hear this tape without duplicating it in its entirety for security
reasons. That is why we made the recording and that is why we wanted an open
process. We said to the SU team that we would make the copy of the tape and
give it to them the next day, as there was a second meeting planned the next
day in the morning. But in the evening on the August 29th Peter Duffy called us
and cancelled that meeting. Thus The SU team did not get a copy of the tape the
next day: they cancelled the meeting and we were not able to fulfill our
promise, as we did not meet with them. During the next three weeks when Kate
and Tina where in
After this "preamble" to the meeting the meeting itself started. The meeting was about three hours. We will give a detailed report of what took place.
Our guests played Mother's invocation.
Linda told us the "norms and the rules" for the meeting. Comments two minutes per person. Time keeper Neroli. Facilitator of the meeting Linda. No interrupting. People would raise their hands and they would speak after Linda gives the floor. Benuard was translating, Ketino was helping him.
LINDA: Our first subject is: we would like to have the financial records of the Moscow Study Group.
The Group's treasurer gave Peter the financial report of the Group.
PETER: There is no income from product sales.
MARGARITA: Publishing house does the sales and the report about the sales is given to the Ranch every half a year. This is more than 50 pages report.
PETER: There are no salaries [in the report].
MARGARITA: Only those who work for the publishing house get money. The Board members and the people who just serve in the group do not get payment.
Margarita gave explanations about the two companies 1) the Publishing Company, that has its own employees, director, accountant etc. and 2) the Center of the Spoken Word that is used for the activities of the Group, i.e. lectures, services etc. She explained, that these are two different entities, though they have a mutual interest: The Publishing Company is supporting the Center of the Spoken Word, as the contributions (i.e. Love offering) are not paying the rent of the venues for the services; the Publishing Company sells the books on Group's events (conferences, services etc). The MSG is the one who decides what books are needed to be published. The Publishing Company is fulfilling this order and publishing the books.
There was a question about KOF as well.
PETER: Who administers the KOF Fraternity and the membership of the Fraternity?
KETINO: The people receive the Teachings through the books. If they are interested in more spiritual issues than the publishing company gives them the information that besides the books, that they can buy in the bookstore, they can buy the so-called KOF lessons. In order to start getting the lessons they have to write the letter to Saint Germain and burn it. After that they can pay for the lessons and receive them. The database is one these are the readers of the books, who also read the KOF lessons.
We don't have the dues
KOF Fraternity is run in
The SU team received the financial report from the
AUDIT: "Proprietor (i.e. SU Press) or its authorized representative shall have the right, upon written request, to examine the inventory and the records of the account of Publisher to determine the amount of sales and the accuracy of its Accounting Statements and royalties due and payable hereunder. Any such audit shall be at the cost of Proprietor unless errors exceeding five percent (5%) to Proprietor's disadvantage shall be found, in which case the cost shall be paid by Publisher."
We offered right away to go to our warehouse and to count the amount of books there and determine whether or not the financial reports we regularly provided them are right. They rejected this idea. They said they would like to see the full financial report of our publishing company, that indicates the assets, salaries etc. Note, that assets and salaries do not help at all to fulfill the purpose of the AUDIT, which is to find out whether or not the royalties are paid right, as the royalties are paid as a percentage of the cover price of each copy sold. "The amount of sales and the accuracy of its Accounting Statements and royalties" have nothing to do with the assets of our publishing company.
Thus one can clearly see that the purpose of the AUDIT is completely different from the purpose of the request of the Church leaders for us to give them the full financial report. The full financial report is needed if the Church leadership wants to find out what are the assets of the publishing company and then to claim it as something that belongs to the Study Group and thus has to be given to the newly appointed Board. The AUDIT could be needed to find out if there are any mistakes in the royalties paid. Note also, that SU Press has never had any concerns/problems/issues/questions about the royalties, that were accurately paid according to the agreements with SU Press. There was also no other reason to doubt the accuracy of the financial reports and the royalties paid and thus no purpose to request an audit before the August 29 meeting.
We spoke about the security reasons and explained why we cannot provide
the foreign Church the full financial reports of a commercial company. We spoke
about the differences in running any business in
The next issue was about whether or not we have to be registered as a
religious organization. Both sides made their points. Our points were made
based on our experience. The SU team made its points based on what they heard
from an attorney and from a minority of the group, who want a Church in
STUART: I sense the difference of opinions on the law. We can speak for hours on it. That is why we wrote in our letter: if you think you can do it differently fine. We will happily respect this if you create something beyond what we are doing.
At some point Ketino apologized for the disharmony in the beginning of the meeting.
KETINO: I wish to apologize that I truly was not able to speak calmly and to state calmly that Julia P. would be not present at the meeting. I saw that you were not hearing me and all of you had a predetermined plan to have her here and I understand that it was a wrong vibration, but the message was right... For me it sounded as a big attack from you It was a greatest pressure and a great attack on us when you were insisting despite what the Board was saying. So I apologize and I ask you to forgive me for the vibration.
LINDA: We accept your apology. Nevertheless that does not excuse the vibration.
Linda made the point that we have to respect the leadership, as they have mantles.
LINDA: We come with a mantles. We all come as representatives from headquarters and basically you don't believe in hierarchy that you would not honor... And it is not through human personality, but the mantle we have been given (inaudible)
Ketino tried to explain what was happening in the Group because of the actions of leadership and the absence of their response on our August 13 letter "Ignorance of the law is no excuse".
KETINO: We have not received any respond from the leadership, that
the Board was waiting for to the letter we wrote [i.e. "Ignorance of the law in
no excuse"]. No respond. We were all these weeks under big pressure without any
respect or willingness to speak with the Board, to respect the opinion of the
Board and to answer the concerns of the Board. It was really amazing for us,
that we outlined what is going to happen on Saturday (August 16). Three
scenarios. And we are going already in scenario 2. And we said that we are
pushed into this scenario. This is division, which is partial destruction of
the Group. Nobody asked us, nobody asked the Board what has happened on that
Saturday It was like the leadership does not care. This is how we felt. The
leadership does not care about the destruction that appeared in the Moscow
Study Group. We said that it will happen. Nobody asked us how and what
happened. Actually we are treating you as a conquerors who have come to us and
you already made a steps on the physical plane, very physical steps the
deeds, that destroyed already partly the
LINDA: There is a vibration of fear that permeates everything. And that fear is not lawful.
KETINO: Fear that you have power to do with us whatever you wish to do?
LINDA: No. It's a fear from within You have invited other people to come you have Tom Miller, he is a minister you have 5 people (inaudible)
KETINO: He [Tom] is not a minister.
LINDA: He is inactive minister
KETINO: Inactive. That is why for our people he is not a minister You are not happy that we invited Tom Miller?
LINDA: No we are happy.
KETINO: Then why do you speak about that?
LINDA: Because I am making the point that we are also ministers, but we are not using our mantles. The fact is that anybody from headquarters you should welcome. You should say: Thank you for coming here and meeting with us. It is a huge expense for us
KETINO: You have not asked for our needs. You are putting huge expense on this organization and you have not asked if the Moscow Group needs that. We did not request this meeting.
LINDA: We have many other requests.
KETINO: And this is not the majority, and you will see it here in
LINDA: We will be answering your e-mail [Ignorance of the law is no excuse] it takes time to get information (inaudible)
KETINO: The problem was that there was a deadline. We said that on
Saturday there will be a division and destruction of the group. And it was not
a date put by us. We would never do this. We would never bring this
announcement. But because Peter Duffy have already brought it into the Group
and we had to do that. We had no choice. And on Saturday it was said: there
will be a division and destruction. It already happened in the
NEROLI: The division was on your doorstep. You were the one who caused the division
All the people were very agitated, speaking all together and trying to prove each other that they were not the ones who caused the division and the destruction of the Moscow Group, as well as whether there was danger or not for the Moscow Group to meet with the ministers of the Church. Each party was sticking to its opinion
After all of this argumentation:
KATE: Why didn't you simply ask me not to come?
KETINO: We did it, Kate. I told it to you personally. We asked all of
you not to stay in
BENUARD: That is terrible! That is terrible [that you asked us not to come]!
NINA: We have to obey the laws of our country. We can't break them
LINDA: The laws of God are higher Your fear of the government has become your God And that is your idol (inaudible)
NINA: The Masters are asking us not to break the laws of the country we are living in.
STUART: This is our interpretation of the law
LINDA: You need a higher interpretation of the law. You need to spiritualize It is a very mental and intellectual interpretation and you are not trusting the Ascended Masters, that are higher (inaudible)
NINA: We can think that we can interpret the law as we wish, but there are authorities that control how we fulfill that law. And that authorities are not thinking a lot about the spiritual side of the law
STUART: You have come here as the representatives of the Church
LINDA: Of the organization TSL, CUT, SU Press, KOF.
STUART: OK, the organization. It does not change what I am having to say. To anyone who looks at what you do, you are the religious figures Amongst you are people who are publicly recognized ministers of foreign Church Some of your activities here, we believe, will be religious...
KETINO: The people know that you are the ministers And the people will ask you the religious questions and they will also ask you to do the sacraments etc., because they know Neroli, and Kate, and Peter. We can't control 200 people. And we do not have any intent to shut their mouth. And all of these people will be requesting this You can't close the door. You can't check who is coming, because we are open, we are public.
The meeting was once again boiling with controversy. A few people were speaking simultaneously. The argument was about whether or not it was possible to control and check 200 people in the audience and whether or not it was the expression of fear to avoid such a meeting with the ministers. All were interrupting each other. Benuard tried to tell us that we could close the door and have the meeting Once again we did not come to any agreement or understanding.
The meeting was coming to an end.
STUART: Do you plan to do anything to the Board of the
The answer was: We will let you know.
KATE: I have said before publicly that I honestly feel that Russian people are my brothers and sisters... And this has turned into what seems like a war. I simply don't understand. We came in good faith. We wanted to share as friends and this literally turned into a division.
KETINO: We told you about that.
KETINO: Because we did not invite you, Kate. We told you, that there will be a division. And we told you why there will be a division. And this is happening. If you are not willing to understand why this is happening, we can speak more You can understand this or not understand this, but it is a fact. And we warned you beforehand, that this will happen, if you will come to us, to the Group as a minister
LINDA: There are spiritual facts and there are human facts. You are telling us human facts. We are the spiritual organization that above these problems (inaudible)
PETER: There is a vulnerability. The greatest vulnerability is anger and fear. If you are out of alignment like that there is the open door for the force to come and destroy
NINA: As you remember these Teachings were not able to come to
PETER: There are assumptions which you made that are absolutely not true. One very simple one is that you assume that the responsibility for calling these meetings was mine personally. And in the e-mail you said: "Peter Duffy did this, Peter Duffy did that, it's all Peter Duffy's responsibility". In fact it was not Peter Duffy, but all
Then the Church leaders said that because of our behavior and how we treat the people (like we treated Julia), the people are leaving the Group. Nina responded that there are some people, who are leaving and it is a natural process, however the group is growing and developing.
STUART: I have to ask this question: which Group in the world has 150 people coming to a Saint Germain Service?..
KETINO: But you said that you are concerned that the people are leaving and now you are saying you are not concerned about numbers.
KETINO: I understand. We are saying that we are growing. And we are saying that we are probably the most successful group in numbers and in the work that we have done during these years. And if you will tell me just which group is as big in terms of services, conferences, books, everything? Which one has such a success? Can you tell?
NORMAN: I just want the Board to know that Russian has never been the language that the most books have been sold. Never, never.
KETINO: Do you know how many books were sold in five years? Do you
want me to tell you the figure?
LINDA: It has nothing to do with figures (inaudible)
Following was the sealing of the meeting by one of the members of the SU team and the end of the meeting.
We did not find understanding on any issues we spoke about. The Church leaders had different opinions from ours on each subject we spoke about. We have to say that there were many interruptions from both sides as well as "speaking together" (when two or three people spoke together). It happened partly because of the need to do translations, that were sometimes done simultaneously, partly because the dialog on any subject tended to turn into an argument, as the two sides had a different understanding of the issues raised and were not ready and able to accept the other side. Both sides sounded agitated from time to time, especially during the second half of the meeting, but while listening to the tape it is difficult to point the finger at someone who stands out from the rest.
This letter was written by the former Board members and the core active Keepers of the Moscow Group.