MY CONVERSATION WITH THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH
(Alexandra Tolmatskaya - Dnepropetrovsk)

     It was late at night, approximately 0.30 a.m., August 30, 2003. I was sleeping at this moment.

     The call of Peter Duffy awakened me. Seemed like he wanted to catch me unaware and ask his questions.

     Peter's voice was suave. His manner of speaking was unusual, very articulate and slowly that I could distinct all of his words. He told me that he and all of their team were already at Moscow and he knew that I had sent the letter addressed to Olga Perminova with requirement to resend air-tickets which had been acquired for the purposes of Summit University in Ukraine. He asked me if it meant that our plans had been changed and I answered "yes". He asked me the reason of such a decision and I told him that we were not able to receive the people who did not understand the danger of legalization of the Church in Russia, who put pressure on the Board of Moscow group and that I as an attorney-at-law with considerable experience could only support the legal position of Moscow group and their policy.

     He asked me also a question:

- Do you know about the letter of Ketino "The Ignorance of the Law is no excuse"?
- Yes.
- Have you received it?
- Yes.
- When you have received it?
- Morning.

     It was not enough. It looked like examination.

- What time, exactly?
- Early morning.
- What time?
- Nine o-clock approximately.
- Nine o'clock?
- Yes.
- Exactly nine o'clock?
- Near this time.
- OK.

     After was a long-long pause, no less than 5 minutes. I heard that several people had been beside him and they were discussing this situation. So I understood that possibly my conversation was recording. I heard also the sound resembling the sound of dictating machine.

     Then Olga Perminova took the phone. Her voice was tense and little bit heightened. She asked me if I realized all of my words and who had made the decision to change the plans. I answered it was the unanimous decision of the Board of Dnepropetrovsk Study Group. She exclaimed: "How could you reject the coming of ministers and Presidents of the Church?". It was only her emotions, so I didn't answer and asked her to return me the tickets promptly as I wanted our expenses reimbursed.

     After was a long pause.

     Then a question from Peter like I was totally insane.

- Who is your Guru?
- I have the only Guru.
- Who is him?
- Elizabeth Clare Prophet.
- Are you sure?
- Yes. I have also my Holy Christ Self.

     Pause. Long enough.

- OK. Linda Worobec, the personal secretary of Mother would speak with you.
Pause.

     Linda introduced herself as a personal secretary of Mother working with her many years and as her nearest friend. I told usual "glad to hearing from you".

     She informed me that the President of the Church, minister and people anointed by Mother came to Russia and then intended to come to Ukraine to make the Summit University Class. That it was the event of paramount importance for the whole history. And I with my decision cancelled the plans of Brotherhood and I should take all the responsibility for the upsetting of all of those plans. She told me that my karma be upon me for all of this as the people would not be able to receive the teachings because of this decision. I answered that the people would receive the teachings. We will make the class; we have all the materials and all the opportunities to hold this class. And the people don't care who will make the lectures as Elizabeth in fact would lead this class. We will present her voice and her teachings. She is the one who is the mediator between students and God. And it doesn't matter too much who will present the teachings, we or the ministers of the Church.

     Linda asked me:

- How long are you in the Teachings?
- Since 1998.
- Sorry, it's too much little. You have no enough experience.
- Yes, I have years and incarnations of inner experience and I have the Flame in my heart.

     Pause and then Peter's voice:

- We represent the Church Universal and Triumphant. And seems like you reject the official Church.

     Linda took the phone and explained me the positions of the hierarchy of the Church and that I should obey them. Peter added about my karma of disobedience and told me that as I upset the SU in Ukraine, I and the people who had been responsible for this decision were also free from our positions. He informed me also:

- Ketino is not the member of the Board of Moscow Study Group also. As the members of the Board of the Church we had made the decision to divest the authority of members of Moscow board in extraordinary situation as they do not comply with the standards of the Church.

     I told him (rather all of them as they all listened to) that they had no any right to say that the situation in Moscow was extraordinary as they not had been there for long and could not witness anything. So the Board was elected by people and as the situation could not be considered extraordinary these people should change their minds about this Board at the regular meeting, it means next February.

     Linda confirmed that they had such a right.

     I said her:

- OK Linda. When I wrote letters to Peter or Kate and asked for an advice and help, why did they tell me to appeal to Ketino with my questions or not answer them at all? Thank you very much for those advises and non-answering. I appealed to Ketino and she always helped me and not only me. Every Keeper of Russia has the number of her phones and she always receives everybody with his problems.
- You know I am the personal secretary of Mother and her nearest friend (again). She shares with me much. She escorted me all my way to airport and even to the plane and she said ...

     I don't remember what Linda and Mother exactly said. Seems just like Mother "said" very general phrases about the importance of Summit University in Russia and Ukraine and her personal blessings of that event.

     I answered that I didn't believe that Mother was able physically to go to the airport, that it was untrue. And then Linda said that I was possessed and suffered from aggressive mental suggestion and that I should read my Astreas and Judgment Call and that they would read all those decrees for me.

     I told her that I was very diligent in keeping my vows and in keeping the vigil, that I didn't miss my Astreas and my everyday clearance with Judgment Calls and I was not possessed. When Linda began literally yelling something the conversation was interrupted abruptly. I don't know why. May be for technical reasons. And they didn't recall me after.