Poll Responses (NO)

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The Question: Should Church Manager
Rev. Linda Worobec be held accountable
for her Desecration of the Altar of the Holy
Grail on July 4, 2003 in King Arthur's Court?

Responses (No) - 35

Date

Response

Affiliation

Nation

Comments

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:27:08 -0600

No

Wont_Say

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:18:51 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:21:55 -0600

No

Wont_Say

us

Witch hunt.Not all anyone does is evil including the Beatles. What song?

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:02:23 -0600

No

Member_KOF

USA

What goes around, comes around.

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:26:34 -0600

No

Member_KOF

US

You should drop it, remember what Jesus said, and we also have the laws of Karma they will take care of any wrong doings. We shuld not judge anybody for their mistakes we all have made many.

Thanks and God Bless

Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:31:13 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

THE LORD REBUKE THEE!!!!!

I was there. There was no "desecration" of the altar. The words may have been Beatles but the tune was Classical Baroque. I have been on staff and in this community for 30 years. I know Mother's teaching on rock music and other subjects. The diatribe that you, Eva Bauman and others are putting out is straight out of the pit of hell. You think you do good but no good can come from Criticism, Condemnation and Judgement of anyone. This is character assassination at its most blatant. This same comment goes for the attack that is ongoing against the Duffy's

Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:21:08 -0600

No

Wont_Say

Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:04:07 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

United States

I have spoken with others who were present at the time in question, and based on their observations, neither I nor they believe that the Altar was desecrated. The tempo was changed from a rock beat and the the altar was curtained off. I had attended a SU summer quarter years ago where the altar was curtained off and a portion of a rock song was played for instruction. (Rev. Linda was not involved and Mother had approved)

So, I personally do not believe that what some people are accusing Rev. Linda of is accurate or loving. I also personally believe that Christ would not agree with these accusations. It is not our place to judge or to try to the jugde of another's actions. Only God has that authority. Christ teaches us to love and forgive one another. Neither Christ nor the Ascended Masters teaches us (the keepers of the flame) to accuse or judge one another. We are to keep the flame of love for the planet. And we can not keep the flame of love when we spend our time judging others. I do not know what your back ground is (how many years were you trained by Mother or Mark, have you ever been on staff?, have you ever attended SU?) Why do you think you have the training to judge another person (whether it be Rev. Linda, your neighbor, or some stranger down the road? That's not what the Masters teach. I think that you could make better use of your time and God given talents to spread the Masters message of Love without making accusations against another. After All, God has the Karmic board to review and judge Rev. Linda. It's not our place.

Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:01:33 -0600

No

Member_KOF

Brazil

Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:44 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

USA

You may consider how much more devisive harm you are doing than good!

Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:51:33 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:43 -0600

No

Wont_Say

US

The point of this poll should be the question, "Was this a desecration?" Not, "should she be held accountable." Because this is not delineated, your poll results will be skewed.

Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:54:59 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

USA

Try forgiveness, and clear yourself.

Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:48:19 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

usa

Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:01:58 -0600

No

Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:13:39 -0600

No

Church_Staff

US

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:46:12 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

USA

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:48:18 -0600

No

Church_Staff

USA

Yours is a lawyers damned if you do damned if you don't answer type question. I believe there was no desecration for Linda to be or not to be accountable for.

Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:42:30 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

United States

Were you there for the Freedom Conference perfomance? I was and my husband, who is not in the Teachings, was with me also. The altar was covered and I do not feel that Linda or Robert Worobec's behavior was disrespectful of the Ascended Masters. Most of the objection to the music performed seems to be coming from those who were not in attendance or who patche into the broadcast. After spending the day in the Heart of the Inner Retreat, the evening's entertainment was far preferable to the fireworks that have been used at previous conferences.

Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:00:16 -0600

No

Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:34:27 -0600

No

usa

Many Christians believe that rock music is ok because it sings about Jesus. The Masters have made it clear that it is not lyrics--it is the beat. Not all Beatles songs had the syncopated beat. Not all Beatles songs had bad lyrics. If they had been totally evil, the Children of Light would see that. So they had a mix of Light and Darkness. Duh

What goes around comes around

Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:40:37 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

USA

Perhaps she is unaware of vibrations compared to you & needs to have a more qualified servant of the Lord make decisions concerning the altar & how to keep it holy & demagnetized. She needs to realize & acknowledge her error & forgive & move on & you, too.

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:04:52 -0600

No

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:44:38 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

U.S.

IT'S MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. WHILE YOU CERTAINLY APPEAR INTENTIONED, YOU USE HUGE LEAPS OF LOGIC IN YOUR ARGUMENT AND BLANKET STATEMENTS PRESENTED AS ABSOLUTE FACT TO ARGUE YOUR POINTS. HAD MOTHER BEEN IN THE AUDIENCE AS SHE FORMER SELF I GUARANTEE SHE WOULD HAVE JUST SEEN IT FOR WHAT IT WAS, AND WOULD NOT HAVE INTERPRETED IT THE WAY YOU HAVE. THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE HEART IS NEEDED NOT JUST OF THE MIND TO DISCERN REALITY.

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:06:41 -0600

No

Member_KOF

England

If as the editor says, the Rev was merely taking a Beatles song and wrapping it a 16th century style, laying some emphasis on the lyrics: 'Money can't buy love'....... then I feel it's TOTALY inappropriate for her to be held in any way responsible for this so called 'desecration' of the alter. To me this is nonsense.

We are often told to listen to Mozart.. His music is wonderful yet he was well known to be very sexually deviant.

Should we also therefore mistrust the persons whom this recommendation comes from as being one siding with the evil forces?

I think this is a simple case of the Rev having some fun with a well known tune and the congregation on that day should understand that this was the Reverend's intention, and I'm sure she did NOT imply through her actions that the Beatles were composers of 'light bearing' music or lyrics per se...

Once again all I see is a case of some militant individuals creating unnecessary negative weight in an effort to make a crisis out of something which barely constitutes a drama.

My question is why are they doing this????

And as for any assertion that the church is somehow endorsing the Beatlesà. Wellà.. Only a fool would believe such a thing.

Take the reverend before the Church Elders. They will know in their hearts whether or not she is guilty of desecration.

If they do not know, then they are in the wrong job.

Much Love and Light,

[name withheld]

Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:01:54 -0600

No

Member_KOF

I think you are way out of line with your assessment of this event last summer at the ranch. And your fanaticism is extreme and not healthy, in my opinion. I was there. I heard the performance. There was no problem with it. The vibration was fine and good entertainment.

You need to find something better to do with your time.

[name withheld]

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:56:13 -0600

No

Wont_Say

YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS EVENT IS MISLEADING. IT WAS NOT A DESECRATION OF THE ALTAR. I READ HER OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO YOUR CONCERNS AND IT IS SUFFICIENT.

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:51:34 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

USA

This is NOT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE!!!.Our leaders are in the proverbial fishbowl and therefore are subjected to much criticism as people (we) watch what they do. Let us be fair; they will never take the place of the messenger and are doing the best job that they can do. We need to tend to the need of the hour and band together to bring about the Golden Age else the Earth will perish. Let us be about our Father's business. [name withheld]

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:46:35 -0600

No

Other

USA

El Morya said, "If the messenger be an ANT, heed him."

Truth is everywhere IF you seek it. However, those who "see the Devil under every rock" will not find much truth,due to their judgmental and suspicious nature.

  NONE of us can climb into Linda's Heart (which I'm sure is quite pure) and know what she's REALLY thinking. Only GOD can judge our motives, NOT people (all of whom are imperfect). I say with Jesus,"Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone."

  I think the community needs to LIGHTEN UP and stop all this CCJ again others. I think THIS (embodied in your condemnation of Linda) is WORSE than what she did!

  I met Linda the at the FIRST conference she ever attended, and have watched her spiritual maturation ever since. I support her, stick up for her, and love her in Christ.

  Side note: This type of CCJ and a "holier than thou" attitude is one of the prime reasons I LEFT CUT about 6 years ago, after having been in the teachings for

25 years!

I wish you all well and God Success on your spiritual journey,

[name withheld]

Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:59:35 -0600

No

Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:13:11 -0600

No

Pearl_Reader

USA

Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:59:05 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

Dear Steven

I don't know you but your point about Rev. Worobeck telling a lie is way off base. This is actually quite true. For those of us who knew Mother closely, they know she did liked some of those tunes. You're way too fanatical....

[name withheld]

Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:41:12 -0600

No

Member_Communicant

Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:32:52 -0600

No

Member_KOF

USA

Please review El Morya's Pearl on criticism, condemnation and judgment. Thank you.

Sat, 1 May 2004 00:35:51 -0600

No

Member_KOF

USA

Dear Steven,

I think you have stated your disapproval enough.

I said accountability with mercy was appropriate in my first vote.

I think there has been too much rabble rousing and not enough positive decreeing and praying now.

Therefore I change my vote to no accountablity to Linda, but mercy, as well as positive prayers and decrees for her and everyone involved, including yourself.

Nobody completely manifests their perfect divinity while in the human form.

The incidents involving a dedicated person have been complained about and heard.

Now is time for positive prayer.

Let's not see any points of condemnation go on and on forever.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

[name withheld]

Date	Response	Affiliation	Nation	Comments
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:27:08 -0600	No	Wont_Say
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:18:51 -0600	No	Member_Communicant
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:21:55 -0600	No	Wont_Say	us	Witch hunt.Not all anyone does is evil including the Beatles. What song?
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:02:23 -0600	No	Member_KOF	USA	What goes around, comes around.
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:26:34 -0600	No	Member_KOF	US	You should drop it, remember what Jesus said, and we also have the laws of Karma they will take care of any wrong doings. We shuld not judge anybody for their mistakes we all have made many. Thanks and God Bless
Fri, 16 Apr 2004 18:31:13 -0600	No	Member_Communicant		THE LORD REBUKE THEE!!!!! I was there. There was no "desecration" of the altar. The words may have been Beatles but the tune was Classical Baroque. I have been on staff and in this community for 30 years. I know Mother's teaching on rock music and other subjects. The diatribe that you, Eva Bauman and others are putting out is straight out of the pit of hell. You think you do good but no good can come from Criticism, Condemnation and Judgement of anyone. This is character assassination at its most blatant. This same comment goes for the attack that is ongoing against the Duffy's
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:21:08 -0600	No	Wont_Say
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 18:04:07 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	United States	I have spoken with others who were present at the time in question, and based on their observations, neither I nor they believe that the Altar was desecrated. The tempo was changed from a rock beat and the the altar was curtained off. I had attended a SU summer quarter years ago where the altar was curtained off and a portion of a rock song was played for instruction. (Rev. Linda was not involved and Mother had approved) So, I personally do not believe that what some people are accusing Rev. Linda of is accurate or loving. I also personally believe that Christ would not agree with these accusations. It is not our place to judge or to try to the jugde of another's actions. Only God has that authority. Christ teaches us to love and forgive one another. Neither Christ nor the Ascended Masters teaches us (the keepers of the flame) to accuse or judge one another. We are to keep the flame of love for the planet. And we can not keep the flame of love when we spend our time judging others. I do not know what your back ground is (how many years were you trained by Mother or Mark, have you ever been on staff?, have you ever attended SU?) Why do you think you have the training to judge another person (whether it be Rev. Linda, your neighbor, or some stranger down the road? That's not what the Masters teach. I think that you could make better use of your time and God given talents to spread the Masters message of Love without making accusations against another. After All, God has the Karmic board to review and judge Rev. Linda. It's not our place.
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 07:01:33 -0600	No	Member_KOF	Brazil
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 14:50:44 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	USA	You may consider how much more devisive harm you are doing than good!
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:51:33 -0600	No	Member_Communicant
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:20:43 -0600	No	Wont_Say	US	The point of this poll should be the question, "Was this a desecration?" Not, "should she be held accountable." Because this is not delineated, your poll results will be skewed.
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:54:59 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	USA	Try forgiveness, and clear yourself.
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:48:19 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	usa
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:01:58 -0600	No
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:13:39 -0600	No	Church_Staff	US
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:46:12 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	USA
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:48:18 -0600	No	Church_Staff	USA	Yours is a lawyers damned if you do damned if you don't answer type question. I believe there was no desecration for Linda to be or not to be accountable for.
Wed, 21 Apr 2004 22:42:30 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	United States	Were you there for the Freedom Conference perfomance? I was and my husband, who is not in the Teachings, was with me also. The altar was covered and I do not feel that Linda or Robert Worobec's behavior was disrespectful of the Ascended Masters. Most of the objection to the music performed seems to be coming from those who were not in attendance or who patche into the broadcast. After spending the day in the Heart of the Inner Retreat, the evening's entertainment was far preferable to the fireworks that have been used at previous conferences.
Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:00:16 -0600	No
Thu, 22 Apr 2004 21:34:27 -0600	No		usa	Many Christians believe that rock music is ok because it sings about Jesus. The Masters have made it clear that it is not lyrics--it is the beat. Not all Beatles songs had the syncopated beat. Not all Beatles songs had bad lyrics. If they had been totally evil, the Children of Light would see that. So they had a mix of Light and Darkness. Duh What goes around comes around
Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:40:37 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	USA	Perhaps she is unaware of vibrations compared to you & needs to have a more qualified servant of the Lord make decisions concerning the altar & how to keep it holy & demagnetized. She needs to realize & acknowledge her error & forgive & move on & you, too.
Sat, 24 Apr 2004 07:04:52 -0600	No
Sat, 24 Apr 2004 15:44:38 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	U.S.	IT'S MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING. WHILE YOU CERTAINLY APPEAR INTENTIONED, YOU USE HUGE LEAPS OF LOGIC IN YOUR ARGUMENT AND BLANKET STATEMENTS PRESENTED AS ABSOLUTE FACT TO ARGUE YOUR POINTS. HAD MOTHER BEEN IN THE AUDIENCE AS SHE FORMER SELF I GUARANTEE SHE WOULD HAVE JUST SEEN IT FOR WHAT IT WAS, AND WOULD NOT HAVE INTERPRETED IT THE WAY YOU HAVE. THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE HEART IS NEEDED NOT JUST OF THE MIND TO DISCERN REALITY.
Sat, 24 Apr 2004 16:06:41 -0600	No	Member_KOF	England	If as the editor says, the Rev was merely taking a Beatles song and wrapping it a 16th century style, laying some emphasis on the lyrics: 'Money can't buy love'....... then I feel it's TOTALY inappropriate for her to be held in any way responsible for this so called 'desecration' of the alter. To me this is nonsense. We are often told to listen to Mozart.. His music is wonderful yet he was well known to be very sexually deviant. Should we also therefore mistrust the persons whom this recommendation comes from as being one siding with the evil forces? I think this is a simple case of the Rev having some fun with a well known tune and the congregation on that day should understand that this was the Reverend's intention, and I'm sure she did NOT imply through her actions that the Beatles were composers of 'light bearing' music or lyrics per se... Once again all I see is a case of some militant individuals creating unnecessary negative weight in an effort to make a crisis out of something which barely constitutes a drama. My question is why are they doing this???? And as for any assertion that the church is somehow endorsing the Beatlesà. Wellà.. Only a fool would believe such a thing. Take the reverend before the Church Elders. They will know in their hearts whether or not she is guilty of desecration. If they do not know, then they are in the wrong job. Much Love and Light, [name withheld]
Sat, 24 Apr 2004 22:01:54 -0600	No	Member_KOF		I think you are way out of line with your assessment of this event last summer at the ranch. And your fanaticism is extreme and not healthy, in my opinion. I was there. I heard the performance. There was no problem with it. The vibration was fine and good entertainment. You need to find something better to do with your time. [name withheld]
Sun, 25 Apr 2004 07:56:13 -0600	No	Wont_Say		YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS EVENT IS MISLEADING. IT WAS NOT A DESECRATION OF THE ALTAR. I READ HER OFFICIAL RESPONSE TO YOUR CONCERNS AND IT IS SUFFICIENT.
Sun, 25 Apr 2004 12:51:34 -0600	No	Member_Communicant	USA	This is NOT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE!!!.Our leaders are in the proverbial fishbowl and therefore are subjected to much criticism as people (we) watch what they do. Let us be fair; they will never take the place of the messenger and are doing the best job that they can do. We need to tend to the need of the hour and band together to bring about the Golden Age else the Earth will perish. Let us be about our Father's business. [name withheld]
Sun, 25 Apr 2004 13:46:35 -0600	No	Other	USA	El Morya said, "If the messenger be an ANT, heed him." Truth is everywhere IF you seek it. However, those who "see the Devil under every rock" will not find much truth,due to their judgmental and suspicious nature. NONE of us can climb into Linda's Heart (which I'm sure is quite pure) and know what she's REALLY thinking. Only GOD can judge our motives, NOT people (all of whom are imperfect). I say with Jesus,"Let him who is without sin, cast the first stone." I think the community needs to LIGHTEN UP and stop all this CCJ again others. I think THIS (embodied in your condemnation of Linda) is WORSE than what she did! I met Linda the at the FIRST conference she ever attended, and have watched her spiritual maturation ever since. I support her, stick up for her, and love her in Christ. Side note: This type of CCJ and a "holier than thou" attitude is one of the prime reasons I LEFT CUT about 6 years ago, after having been in the teachings for 25 years! I wish you all well and God Success on your spiritual journey, [name withheld]
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:59:35 -0600	No
Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:13:11 -0600	No	Pearl_Reader	USA
Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:59:05 -0600	No	Member_Communicant		Dear Steven I don't know you but your point about Rev. Worobeck telling a lie is way off base. This is actually quite true. For those of us who knew Mother closely, they know she did liked some of those tunes. You're way too fanatical.... [name withheld]
Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:41:12 -0600	No	Member_Communicant
Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:32:52 -0600	No	Member_KOF	USA	Please review El Morya's Pearl on criticism, condemnation and judgment. Thank you.
Sat, 1 May 2004 00:35:51 -0600	No	Member_KOF	USA	Dear Steven, I think you have stated your disapproval enough. I said accountability with mercy was appropriate in my first vote. I think there has been too much rabble rousing and not enough positive decreeing and praying now. Therefore I change my vote to no accountablity to Linda, but mercy, as well as positive prayers and decrees for her and everyone involved, including yourself. Nobody completely manifests their perfect divinity while in the human form. The incidents involving a dedicated person have been complained about and heard. Now is time for positive prayer. Let's not see any points of condemnation go on and on forever. THANK YOU VERY MUCH [name withheld]